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Albert Edward Ned Gates Jr.Age: 731912–1986 

Name
Albert Edward Ned Gates Jr.
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Birth September 15, 1912 28 24
, Hamilton, OH
Alias
Ned
Death of a paternal grandmother February 2, 1924 (Age 11)
Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, USA
Elizabeth Beauvais LaSalle Meyers - paternal grandmother
Death of a paternal grandmother 1924 (Age 11)
Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, USA
Elizabeth Beauvais LaSalle Meyers - paternal grandmother
Death of a paternal grandmother February 2, 1924 (Age 11)
Elizabeth Beauvais LaSalle Meyers - paternal grandmother
Death of a paternal grandfather April 22, 1932 (Age 19)
Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, USA
John Charles Marcus Gates - paternal grandfather
Death of a paternal grandfather April 22, 1932 (Age 19)
age 86 yrs old, almost 87
John Charles Marcus Gates - paternal grandfather
Birth of a son
#1
October 7, 1947 (Age 35)
Cincinnati, Hamilton, OH
Eric Neal Gates - son
Death of a mother May 15, 1971 (Age 58)
Cincinnati, Hamilton, Ohio
Alvina L. Knapp - mother
Death of a father December 29, 1973 (Age 61)
Cincinnati, Hamilton, OH
Albert Edward R. Gates - father
Death of a father 1973 (Age 60)
age 89
Albert Edward R. Gates - father
Medical
age 72
Death April 3, 1986 (Age 73)
San Antonio, Bexar, TX
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father
Albert Edward R. Gates Albert Edward R. Gates
Birth Hartwell July 15, 1884 39 33 - Hartwell, Springfield, Hamilton, Ohio, USA
Residence 1910 (Age 25) - 3WD Cincinnati, OH
Death December 29, 1973 (Age 89) - Cincinnati, Hamilton, OH
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4 years
mother
 
Alvina L. Knapp Alvina L. Knapp
Birth 1888 33 30 - OH
Death Albert is listed as "widowed" in 1973 death cert May 15, 1971 (Age 83) - Cincinnati, Hamilton, Ohio
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Marriage: 1909 -- Married 1 yr in 1910
1 year
#1
sister
Mary Jane Gates Mary Jane Gates
Birth January 1, 1910 25 22 - Cincinnati, Hamilton, OH
Death October 25, 2002 (Age 92) - Dripping Springs, Hays, Texas
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20 months
#2
sister
Ruth Elizabeth "Sweetie" Gates Ruth Elizabeth "Sweetie" Gates
Birth September 1, 1911 27 23 - Cincinnati, Hamilton, OH
Death February 21, 1999 (Age 87) - Cincinnati, Hamilton, OH
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1 year
#3
Albert Edward Ned Gates Jr. Albert Edward Ned Gates Jr.
Birth September 15, 1912 28 24 - , Hamilton, OH
Death April 3, 1986 (Age 73) - San Antonio, Bexar, TX
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Albert Edward Ned Gates Jr. Albert Edward Ned Gates Jr.
Birth September 15, 1912 28 24 - , Hamilton, OH
Death April 3, 1986 (Age 73) - San Antonio, Bexar, TX
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wife
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daughter
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son
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#3
son
Eric Neal Gates Eric Neal Gates
Birth October 7, 1947 35 - Cincinnati, Hamilton, OH
Death June 23, 2003 (Age 55) - Pearland, Texas
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daughter
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Albert Edward Ned Gates Jr. Albert Edward Ned Gates Jr.
Birth September 15, 1912 28 24 - , Hamilton, OH
Death April 3, 1986 (Age 73) - San Antonio, Bexar, TX
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Shared noteAlbert E. Gates, Jr. is the same person as "Ned", a major in the army.
At age 69, married a 23 year-old in 1983 and died 3 years later.

Ned Gates Jr. says his father falsified his age 2x: "...to get into the flying cadet program and the second was to rejoin the active Air Force for the Korean War. He was too old both times." -email Ned Gates, 5 Oct. 2010.

Photo analysis to determine Ned's actual age:

Photo #1 (no caption)- kids are (L to R):
Ned, Connie (my mother, born Feb 1912), Fran (Connie's sister, born Oct 1913, 1 year and 8 mo younger than Connie) and Gussy (born Dec 1914, 1 year and 1 mo younger than Fran).
Adults are (L to R): Alle (Alvina), Albert E. and Frances Lenore Gates ("Bubbles"), mother of Connie, Fran and Gussy.

In photo #1: It is probably the summer, say July, since they have ice cream cones. Connie and Ned are sitting next to each other. Connie was born in Feb, 1912, and she looks about 5- dating the photo about 1917. Ned jr. was born in Sept. of 1914, 1913 or 1912. The smallest baby boy, next to Frances Lenore was born in Dec 1914 and he looks about 1 1/2 or 2. Ned clearly looks a lot more than 3 months older than the baby.

If Ned Jr. was born in Sept. 1912, he would be 7 months younger than Connie, born Feb, 1912.
If Ned jr. was born in Sept. 1913, he would be 1 year and 7 months younger than Connie. He would be exactly the same age as Connie's sister Fran, who was born in Oct 1913. Do you think he looks 7 months younger or 1 year and 7 months younger?

Photo # 2: Captions on back: "A carload of Gates, Cleveland, O., Sept 1922 by Uncle Spud" and "Old Rio". (not sure who"Uncle Spud" was. Nel's husband, Charlie Gates, possibly).
(L to R): Gussy, Frances, baby Bill (in her arms), Fran, Nel Coddington?, Ruth , Mary Jane , Connie, Ned Jr., Alle (Alvina), Albert

The 1920 census lists Ned's age as 7, the 1930 census as 17. But if he were born in Sept., and the censuses are taken in June, he would be about to turn 8 in 3 months, and that would make his birth year 1912.

In photo #2, dated Sept. 1922, Connie is 10 1/2 and Mary Jane is 12 (she's taller). If Ned were born in 1913, he'd be 9 years old in 1922. To me, Ned does not look like he just turned 9 that month (unless he's a tall 9 year old). He looks more like he just turned 10. That would make him born in 1912. He couldn't be born before 1912, since he is clearly younger than Connie in photo #1.

So I'm guessing that he was born Sept, 1912.


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Hit Count: 34

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Albert Edward R. Gates
1884–1973
 mother
Alvina L. Knapp
1888–1971
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Mary Jane Gates
1910–2002
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Ruth Elizabeth "Sweetie" Gates
1911–1999
Albert Edward Ned Gates Jr.
1912–1986

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Eric Neal Gates
1947–2003
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